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Wednesday, May 29, 2013

And Now It Begins: Catholic Groups Rise Up to Replace the Boy Scouts

And Now It Begins: Catholic Groups Rise Up to Replace the Boy Scouts: "Within twenty-four hours of the Boy Scouts’ big announcement that they will open the membership to openly gay Scouts, fathers and concerned citizens are stepping up with plans to organize new ways to gather young males around the campfire for marshmallows and song.  I thought it would happen—but I’m amazed, frankly, that it’s happening so soon."

Wednesday, May 22, 2013

Four Documents To Understand The Kermit Gosnell Trial

Four Documents To Understand The Kermit Gosnell Trial: "Four Documents To Understand The Kermit Gosnell Trial  The trial of the “House of Horrors” abortion clinic doctor is receiving national attention."

Tuesday, May 21, 2013

Hitler Did Not Take Austria by Force - An Eyewitness Account

A woman I met recently told me about this article and sent it to me.  Every freedom loving American should read it and pass it on to friends and family.

“I am a witness to history. “I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. If you remember the plot of the Sound of Music, the Von Trapp family escaped over the Alps rather than submit to the Nazis. Kitty wasn’t so lucky. Her family chose to stay in her native Austria. She was 10 years old, but bright and aware. And she was watching. “We elected him by a landslide – 98 percent of the vote,” she recalls. She wasn’t old enough to vote in 1938 – approaching her 11th birthday. But she remembers. “Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.” No so. Hitler is welcomed to Austria “In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unemployed. We had 25 percent inflation and 25 percent bank loan interest rates. Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were going from house to house begging for food. Not that they didn’t want to work; there simply weren’t any jobs. “My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people – about 30 daily.’ “We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany, where Hitler had been in power since 1933.” she recalls. “We had been told that they didn’t have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living. “Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group – Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone in Germany was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria. We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back. “Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler. “We were overjoyed,” remembers Kitty, “and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed. “After the election, German officials were appointed, and, like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service. “Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn’t support his family. Many women in the teaching profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been re- quired to give up for marriage. “Then we lost religious education for kids “Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school.. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler’s picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn’t pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang ‘Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles,’ and had physical education. “Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail.” And then things got worse. “The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free. “We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had. “My mother was very unhappy,” remembers Kitty. “When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn’t do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun – no sports, and no political indoctrination. “I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing. “Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time, unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler. “It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn’t exposed to that kind of humanistic philosophy. “In 1939, the war started, and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn’t work, you didn’t get a ration card, and, if you didn’t have a card, you starved to death. “Women who stayed home to raise their families didn’t have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men. “Soon after this, the draft was implemented. “It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps,” remembers Kitty. “During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys. “They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines. “When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat. “Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service. “When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately established child care centers. “You could take your children ages four weeks old to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, seven days a week, under the total care of the government. “The state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had. “Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna.. “After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything. “When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full. “If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the medical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries. “As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80 percent of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. “All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing. “We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables. “Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because people might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn’t meet all the demands. “Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control. “We had consumer protection, too “We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the livestock, and then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it. “In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps. The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated. “So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded. When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good manual work. “I knew one, named Vincent, very well. He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van. “I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months. “They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness. “As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia. “Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law-abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long afterwards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily. “No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up. “Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria. Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.” “This is my eyewitness account. “It’s true. Those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity. “America is truly is the greatest country in the world. “Don’t let freedom slip away. “After America, there is no place to go.” Name withheld by editor

Monday, May 20, 2013

Priest conducts Catholic service to name 45 aborted babies found in Gosnell clinic

A Catholic priest presided over a service Thursday to give proper names to the 45 babies whose bodies were found in the West Philadelphia abortion clinic of Dr. Kermit Gosnell. He is charged with killing five people - a patient and four viable babies that prosecutors say were born alive. He has also been charged with performing late-term abortions that violate Pennsylvania’s 24-week limit on the procedure.

“People have names, people deserve names. The name expresses the person. The name recognizes that there is a person there.” said Father Frank Pavone during the 30-minute service in the New York chapel of Priests for Life, the Catholic Church’s largest pro-life activist group.  visit:

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Friday, May 17, 2013

Franklin Graham: IRS targeted us, too - Reid J. Epstein - POLITICO.com

"The IRS came after Billy Graham, too, his son charged Tuesday in a letter to President Barack Obama.

Franklin Graham, the president of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and the family’s international humanitarian organization Samaritan’s Purse, said that the IRS notified the organizations in September that it was conducting a “review” of their activities for tax year 2010."

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Films related to the field of Developmental Disabilities.

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The is a really cool short film from Sprout films.  The Sprout Film Festival is coming
to New York City in two weeks.

Wednesday, May 15, 2013

Alveda King: Gosnell Guilty Verdict May Spark More Justice for Women and Babies

"The guilty charge against Dr. Kermit Gosnell, dethroned ruler of "Gosnell's House of Horrors," may spark justice for more women and babies across America. So says Alveda King, director of African-American Outreach for Gospel of Life Ministries.

"Justice is served with this verdict, but injustice will continue unless we end abortion in this country," King says. "Gosnell was not the only abortionist who killed mothers and their born babies; he was just the one who got caught. Now we have to turn our attention to charging, trying and convicting others like him." "

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Abortion Clinic Employees -- "Babies born alive daily." - YouTube

Abortion Clinic Employees -- "Babies born alive daily." - YouTube: ""

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ADOPTION: Stuck Documentary - Need to Know

Stuck Documentary - Need to Know: "They speak a different language, but it’s easy to understand what they want. They are children in Haiti, Central America, and Asia who all want parents.

Parents, just like Michael and Kimberly Stewart in Austin. The couple discovered their son, Kelly, in Haiti a few years ago.

“I got to the bottom of the stairs and looked across the toddler room and saw him,” said Michael, talking about one of the first times he met Kelly in a Haiti orphanage.

After prayer, piles of paperwork and thousands of dollars in fees later, the Haiti orphanage approved moving forward with his adoption.

Two years later though, Kelly remains stuck thousands of miles away from the two people he considers his parents.

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Tuesday, May 14, 2013

The Gosnell case: Here’s what you need to know

 "Pennsylvania law bars abortions after 24 weeks’ gestation, at which point a fetus is considered to be likely viable outside the womb. Gosnell performed multiple abortions at 24.5 weeks, and the grand jury report found that many of those procedures underestimated the period of gestation. One Gosnell employee estimated that about 40 percent of the clinic’s abortions occurred after 24 weeks. Gosnell, the grand jury found, killed the babies born alive in his clinic.
“Gosnell had a simple solution for the unwanted babies he delivered: he killed them,” the report said. “He didn’t call it that. He called it ‘ensuring fetal demise.’ The way he ensured fetal demise was by sticking scissors into the back of the baby’s neck and cutting the spinal cord.”"  Visit:

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Jury convicts abortion provider Kermit Gosnell of murder - The Washington Post

"After a two-month trial and 10 days of deliberation, a jury on Monday decided that Baby A, Baby C and Baby D lived a few fleeting moments outside their mothers’ wombs before their spinal cords were severed at Kermit Gosnell’s abortion clinic in West Philadelphia.

The way those brief lives ended didn’t amount to abortion but to three acts of first-degree murder, jurors concluded."Jury convicts abortion provider Kermit Gosnell of murder - The Washington Post:

Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Found Guilty | Video - ABC News

Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Found Guilty | Video - ABC News:
So the mainstream media finally discovered the Gosnell story.

Thursday, May 09, 2013

5/3/12 Bret Baier special on Kermit Gosnell - Part I - YouTube

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5/3/12 Bret Baier special on Kermit Gosnell - Part II - YouTube

5/3/12 Bret Baier special on Kermit Gosnell - Part II - YouTube: ""

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5/3/12 Bret Baier special on Kermit Gosnell - Part III - YouTube

5/3/12 Bret Baier special on Kermit Gosnell - Part III - YouTube: ""

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5/3/12 Bret Baier special on Kermit Gosnell - Part IV - YouTube

5/3/12 Bret Baier special on Kermit Gosnell - Part IV - YouTube: ""

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5/3/12 Bret Baier special on Kermit Gosnell - Part V - YouTube

5/3/12 Bret Baier special on Kermit Gosnell - Part V - YouTube: ""

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Horrifying Passages From The Kermit Gosnell Grand Jury Report

Horrifying Passages From The Kermit Gosnell Grand Jury Report: "Horrifying Passages From The Kermit Gosnell Grand Jury Report
The trial of the Philadelphia abortionist has revealed terrifying and disturbing details from his “House of Horrors” clinic.
posted on April 12, 2013 at 7:11pm EDT"

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5/3/12 Bret Baier special on Kermit Gosnell - Part I - YouTube

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Video: Was Gosnell an aberration in late-term abortions? « Hot Air

"The trial of Kermit Gosnell — and the media silence on it for much of the proceedings — have shone a light on lat-term abortions that abortion advocates have hardly welcomed.  In response, the abortion industry has argued that Gosnell was an aberration, a rare instance of inhumanity for a service that is critical to the health of women.  How true is that?  Live Action conducted an undercover operation to allow people a look into the late-term abortion business, and we discover that the lawless approach we saw in Gosnell’s clinic was at the very least not unique."  Video: Was Gosnell an aberration in late-term abortions? « Hot Air:

Wednesday, May 08, 2013

From 40 Days for Life-Day 31 The abortionist's Wife | Facebook

Day 31 The abortionist's Wife | Facebook:

A vigil participant was noticing that nearly all the
cars in the abortion center parking lot were parked in
the staff area -- very few were in the area reserved
for those with appointments. And that was good.

The volunteer was soon deep in prayer when the
abortionist drove up -- with his wife and their
teenager. He got out of the car and headed toward
the building while the wife and teen drove away.

The abortionist's wife pulled up next to the vigil
participant, rolled down her window and asked, "How
are you doing?" The surprised volunteer answered,
"Good! How about you?"

She responded, "I just wanted to tell you that I so
appreciate what you do and how you are always so nice
and respectful." That simple response turned out to
be the opening line in a very lengthy conversation.

The wife expressed her gratitude for the way the
40 Days for Life vigil is conducted. In another city,
there is a group outside the abortion center that
yells at her husband.

Here, however, he's been told that the vigil
participants are praying for him. "He just can't
understand how you can be so against what he does
and yet so nice to him."

She explained that her husband grew up in a home that
had no use for religion -- the concept is totally
foreign to him. The volunteer promised to pray that he
would be able to grasp -- and eventually embrace --
faith. The teen blurted out, "Please do!"

"I asked the abortionist's wife to pray for me," said
the volunteer, "and she said she would."

The wife said, "I'm really impressed that you believe
in something so strongly and passionately that you’re
willing to be here every week for years in every kind
of weather."

"There is much to meditate upon from this conversation,"
said the 40 Days for Life volunteer. "It confirmed the
constant presence, the peaceful method, the prayerful
attitude. It helped give me a renewed sense of
dedication to continually trying to get people to
sign up so that we can have a constant presence on the
sidewalk. We never know who will see us and when they
will see us.

"God gave me an awesome story in order to ask once
again for you to join us for 40 Days for Life. Please
keep praying for an end to abortion and for ALL those
involved. God is using us to help bring His children
to Him -- ALL of them!"

6,000 Complaints Lodged Against Late-Term Abortionist LeRoy Carhart

6,000 Complaints Lodged Against Late-Term Abortionist LeRoy Carhart: "A formal complaint was filed on February 19th by Operation Rescue, seeking the revocation of Carhart’s license in the death of Morbelli, who sought a late-term abortion at Carhart’s clinic in Germantown, Maryland. Morbelli was 33 weeks into her pregnancy with her pre-born daughter, Madison, who was diagnosed with a seizure disorder.
Following her abortion on February 6th, Carhart left Maryland and could not be reached by Morbelli’s family when her condition deteriorated later that evening. The next day, Morbelli was taken to Shady Grove Hospital where she eventually died from massive internal bleeding. "

Tuesday, May 07, 2013

‘Defiant Requiem,’ at Avery Fisher Hall - NYTimes.com

‘Defiant Requiem,’ at Avery Fisher Hall - NYTimes.com: "Extreme deprivation, degradation and abuse are not easily evoked in a concert setting, with relatively comfortable musicians performing for well-fed and highly perfumed listeners. But the conductor Murry Sidlin made a remarkable attempt on Monday in his “Defiant Requiem,” a “concert-drama” presented at Avery Fisher Hall by the UJA-Federation of New York, with ticket sales and sponsorships to benefit Holocaust survivors."

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Pro-life people from across the U.S. should write to their U.S. senators and ask them to support this Resolution on Abortion Practice.
PAFamily.org - Home of Pennsylvania Family Institute and Pennsylvania Family Council - US Senate Resolution on Gosnell:

US Senate Resolution on Abortion Practice

Expressing the sense of the Senate that Congress and the States should investigate and correct abusive, unsanitary, and illegal abortion practices.
Expressing the sense of the Senate that Congress and the States should investigate and correct abusive, unsanitary, and illegal abortion practices.
Whereas the Declaration of Independence sets forth the principle that all people are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;
Whereas the dedication of the people of the United States to this principle, though at times tragically marred by institutions such as slavery and practices such as segregation and the denial of the right to vote, has summoned the people of the United States time and again to fight for human dignity and the common good;
Whereas the people of the United States believe that every human life is precious from its very beginning, and that every individual, regardless of age, health, or condition of dependency, deserves the respect and protection of society;
Whereas the people of the United States believe that early and consistent prenatal care for all mothers, with due regard both for the well-being of expectant mothers and forthe children they carry, is a primary goal of any sound health care policy in the United States; Whereas no woman should ever be abandoned, by policy or practice, to the depredations of an unlicensed, unregulated, or uninspected clinic operating outside of the law with no regard for the mothers or children ostensibly under its care;
Whereas the Report of the Grand Jury in the Court of Common Pleas of the First Judicial District of Pennsylvania,certified on January 14, 2011, contains the results of athorough investigation of the policies and practices of Dr.Kermit Gosnell and the Women's Medical Society of Philadelphia, which found multiple violations of law andpublic policy relating to abortion clinics, and recommended to the Pennsylvania Department of Health that these abortion clinics be explicitly regulated as ambulatory surgical facilities, so that they are inspected an-nually and held to the same standards as all other out-patient procedure centers;
Whereas the Report of the Grand Jury documented a pattern, over a period of 2 decades, at the Women's Medical Society of Philadelphia of untrained and uncertified personnel performing abortions, non-medical personnel administering medications, grossly unsanitary and dangerous conditions, violations of law regarding storage of human remains, and, above all, instances of willful murder of infants born alive by severing their spinal cords;
Whereas the violations of law and human dignity documentedat the Women's Medical Society of Philadelphia involved women referred to the facility by abortion facilities in anumber of surrounding States, including Virginia, Maryland, North Carolina, and Delaware;
Whereas abortion clinics in a number of States, particularly Michigan and Maryland, and including 2 clinics at which Dr. Kermit Gosnell performed or initiated abortions and 2 Planned Parenthood facilities in Delaware, have been closed temporarily or permanently due to unsanitary conditions, and the Planned Parenthood facilities in Delaware have been described by former employees as resembling a meat market;
Whereas the imposition of criminal and civil penalties on individuals and corporations involved in the deplorablepractices described in this preamble is appropriate, but isnot the only necessary response to such practices; Whereas it is essential that the Federal Government and State and local governments take action to prevent dan-gerous conditions at abortion clinics;
Whereas government accountability means that officials whose duty it is to protect the safety and well-being of mothers accessing health care clinics must have their actions made public and their failures redressed;
Whereas the extent of, and purported justification for, legal and illegal abortions in the United States performed late in the second trimester of pregnancy and into andthroughout the third trimester of pregnancy are not routinely reported by all States or by the Centers for Disease Control, and are therefore unknown;
Whereas women and children in the United States deserve better than the 56,145,920 abortions that have been performed in the United States since the Supreme Courtrulings in Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113, and Doe v. Bolton,410 U.S. 179, in 1973; and Whereas there is substantial medical evidence that an unborn child is capable of experiencing pain at 20 weeks after fertilization, or earlier: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That it is the sense of the Senate that-—
(1) Congress and States should gather information about and correct-—
  • (A) abusive, unsanitary, and illegal abortion practices; and
  • (B) the interstate referral of women and girls to facilities engaged in dangerous or illegal second- and third-trimester procedures;

(2) Congress has the responsibility to-—
  • (A) investigate and conduct hearings on-— (i) abortions performed near, at, or after viability in the United States; and (ii) public policies regarding such abortions; and
  • (B) evaluate the extent to which such abortions involve violations of the natural right to life of infants who are born alive or are capable of being born alive, and therefore are entitled to equal protection under the law;

(3) there is a compelling governmental interest in protecting the lives of unborn children beginning at least from the stage at which substantial medical evidence indicates that they are capable of feeling pain, which is separate from and independent of the compelling governmental interest in protecting the lives of unborn children beginning at the stage of viability, and neither governmental interest is intended to replace the other; and
(4) governmental review of public policies and outcomes relating to the issues described in paragraphs (1) through (4) is long overdue and is an urgent priority that must be addressed for the sake of women, children, families, and future generations.

The Concert Performance of Defiant Requiem: Verdi at Terezín

The Concert Performance of Defiant Requiem: Verdi at Terezín:


The City Choir of Washington D.C. performed in the concert drama Defiant Requiem: Verdi at Terezin the evening of April 29th at Lincoln Center, New York City.  Defiant Requiem: Verdi at Terezin tells the story of the courageous Jewish prisoners in the Theresienstadt Concentration Camp(Terezin) during World War II who performed the famous Verdi Requiem while experiencing the depths of human degradation.  This multi-media performance included testimony from survivors of the original chorus.

Scranton native Linda Cirba is a member of the City Choir of Washington D.C.  and has been singing with the choir since 2010.  Linda Cirba studied music at Shenandoah University's Conservatory  in Winchester, Virginia.  Linda recently performed in the Diamond Jubilee Coronation Anniversary Concert of the City Choir of Washington D.C. on April 21st at Washington National Cathedral.  The concert featured a world premiere performance of three hymns  of George Herbert and Tolstoy's Creed by Sir John Tavener.  Miss Cirba was featured in a solo.   Miss Cirba's parents Susan and Robert Cirba Jr.of Scranton attended the Lincoln Center performance with other family members.